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Getting the lowest tree surgery price

26/3/2019

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It is understandable that people want the best price for any product or service they require. I am no different when I am looking to buy something or have something done at home.
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As I conduct all of the quoting for AG Tree Services, one of the most common questions that I am asked is – can you give me a ball park figure for the work. This is often asked before I have even seen the tree or hedge or whilst I am on site looking at the work. The simple answer is no. Whilst we are generally selling our time rather than a product, here are the reasons why it is not that simple.


​When looking at the tree work, I am considering factors such as the following;
  • Is there any legal protection that requires an application (TPO/Conservation Area etc)? If it does, it may require an in-depth report to give it the best chance of obtaining approval (TPO) or no objection (Conservation Area) from the local planning authority. Even if the application is straight forward, the submission of the application and associated maps takes time.
 
  • What is the access like? If you can get the vehicles and chipper close to the tree this makes a big difference. There is often several tonnes of waste even in smaller trees and if that has all got to be carried a long way, or around/over/through obstacles this adds considerable time to the equation.
 
  • How much (green) waste will be created – this includes logs, chip and rakings. If there is lots of timber to cut up, it produces a lot of sawdust which is time consuming and can costly to dispose of, as can rakings which can’t go through chipper as if they have any foreign objects in them (stone, dirt, metal) this will damage the chipper. There is a common misconception that tree surgeons are onto a good thing by getting paid for a job and getting to take the logs away. Believe me, I would rather leave it all on site! There is such a small profit margin on firewood by the time you move it, ring it up, split it, season it, load it up and deliver it. The woodchip can be sold as biomass if it meets the grading but you get next to nothing per ton and you have to have a loader that can load into the collection lorry. The other option is pay to dispose of it, which is what we do with our wood chip and rakings.                                                                                                                         
  • What targets are below or around the tree? If there is nothing, excellent. More likely there will be a greenhouse or pond or conservatory or prized plant or chicken coup or … you get the idea. This makes safely removing the tree (or parts thereof) much more time consuming as it has to rigged off using ropes and pulleys and possibly other equipment to try to avoid breaking anything.
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  • Is the tree likely to be full of metal/stone/dirt or other undesirable materials? People like to attach all sorts to trees which often grow into and are lost in the tree over time. It is extremely common to find items in the centre of trees with the chainsaw. Sometimes this is predictable (boundary trees commonly have old fencing and/or nails in them, multi-stemmed trees often have soil trapped in the unions etc) and as this costs in wear and tear on the chainsaw chains, it also costs in time spent keeping the chain sharp so that it can cut efficiently. To give you an idea, a replacement 3 foot bar and chain for one of our larger saws just cost £183.

  • What is happening with the timber and/or woodchip? If it is being kept by the client this will save time both in physically moving it off the site and in the vehicle moving it to wherever it is going (usually a yard). If it is being removed, can it be moved mechanically in large pieces or does it need to be removed by hand. Is there a market for this timber species? If so, is it worth selling to this market as often the returns don’t justify the time and effort, contrary to common belief. Some customers have the timber split into logs ready for them to season. This is absolutely fine and a service we are happy to provide but it obviously makes a difference to the cost.
 
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  • What is happening to the stump? Is it being left as a few feet tall (standing deadwood habitat, to hang something from, to grow something up, to have a chainsaw carving commissioned etc) or is it being cut as low to the ground as possible? This makes a difference to time and materials that may need to be taken away. Then there is the question is the stump being treated to prevent regrowth (the cost of the chemical has to be included if so) or is it being ground out. If it is being ground out, how easy is access for a stump grinder. Ours is 26 inches wide, around 8 feet long and weight a third of a ton!

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  • What equipment is required. Tree surgeons often turn up with tens of thousands of pounds worth of kit on a standard day with a tipping van or 4x4, a chipper, climbing kits and chainsaws. If you start adding in specialist kit or equipment such as rigging, loaders, winches etc it makes a difference to the price.

  • Is there any other factors that need to be considered? Is the tree safe to climb or is a cherry picker (MEWP) the best option. Will I be required to make several site visits before carrying out the work? Is the person requesting the work actually the owner of the tree or will we need to make contact with the owner to inform them of our intentions to cut their tree (overhanging a boundary for example)? Will the trees require a specific survey before carrying out the work (bats, nesting birds, potential hazards etc).
 
There are other factors which will also affect the price of a job in any business, not just tree surgeons; overheads, current work schedule/availability and travel time are to name but a few.
We are fully insured and have invested in a considerable amount of equipment and training to ensure that we are able to carry out work to a high standard and safely. We also pay for a Health & Safety accreditation (SMAS) to give customers a piece of mind that we can do what we claim to be able to do.

When you are comparing tree surgery quotes, it is important to ensure they are like for like. Are all the companies offering to carry out exactly the same operation? Are they all quoting to remove logs, chip, sawdust, rakings etc? Are they fully insured (public liability, usually between £5-£10 million and professional indemnity if they are offering advice for financial gain)? Do they have a waste carriers license and a legitimate way of disposing of arisings or will they be dumping it down a country lane down the road from you?

So, to put all potential clients mind at rest and to try and answer the initial question, we will always give our best price during any quotation but the above factors will need be considered. There may even be other considerations which will also need to be assessed. Whilst here at AG Tree Services Ltd we clearly invest in many areas to ensure we are able to provide the highest level of service possible, we do manage to remain competitive as we have assembled a team of highly skilled and extremely hard working arborists who are often able to work smarter to complete jobs quicker than other companies.

We still manage to win a large amount of our work based on price alone and for those occasions when we are not the cheapest, quite often some of the other benefits of using our company - being a local, well established company that are often recommended due to our staff being trustworthy, reliable, polite and highly professional – win us the rest of our work.

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How to choose your tree surgeon

12/3/2019

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How do you know which tree surgeon you should choose to carry out work on your tree or hedge?  


Price plays an important role but whilst nobody should be paying 'over the odds' the price should not be the only factor considered. There is a famous saying in the arboriculture industry that anyone can pick up a chainsaw but it doesn't make them a tree surgeon. So called 'tree surgeons' can often undercut reputable companies who work hard to build up a business whilst ensuring that all of their staff are kept safe in a dangerous industry, simply because they do not have the same important overheads such as insurances, qualifications, personal protective equipment (PPE), a legitimate means of disposing of the green waste etc.



​​Here are some pointers which should help you decide which tree surgeons to employ and to weed out the rogue ones;
  • Can the tree surgeons prove they are qualified to do the work. Tree surgery requires an extremely high level of technical competence and tree surgeons should have National  Proficiency Test Council (NPTC) qualifications or Lantra Awards for all the work they are carrying out. This means a separate qualification for operations such as felling, cross cutting the timber, climbing, climbing with a chainsaw, using the chipper, using a stump grinder. The list is really quite extensive. Ask any tree surgeon you get to quote for the work whether they can prove their relevant qualifications. 

  • Are they insured? Tree surgery is a highly dangerous activity and things can go wrong. Tree surgery companies should be able to show you copies of their public liability and employers liability insurances. The public liability insurance needs to be for at least £2 million (at least £10 million if working on or adjacent to a public highway). The tree surgeons  would also need professional indemnity insurance if they are providing advice or recommendations. The should also have LOLER (Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations 1998) certificates (6 monthly for climbing equipment and 12 monthly for rigging equipment) as these are required by law and without them their insurance is likely to be null and void.

  • Do they look the part? Tree surgeons should by law wear personal protective equipment which include chainsaw trousers, boots, helmet and should also use a rope and harness when climbing. If they turn up to carry out work in jeans and trainers and plan to cut the tree down using only an extension ladder, are they the professional outfit you want working on your property? 

  • Tree surgeons should also be working to an industry standard. It is known as the British Standard and its official title is BS3998:2010 'Tree Work; Recommendations'. Ask the tree surgeon about this standard. The chances are if they haven't heard of it, they are not up to the standard required! 

  • What checks do they do on the tree before carrying out the work? All trees should be checked to see if they are covered by a Tree Preservation Order (TPO), are within a Conservation Area or covered by any planning conditions. Failure to do so before carrying out work on trees can result in an unlimited fine for the contractor AND the owner.

  • Are they trustworthy? Check them out before agreeing to the work. Do they have a website or social media accounts displaying their work, have they carried out other work locally, can they provide references.  Can they confirm how they dispose of their green waste and do they have a waste carriers license (required by law). If they can't answer these questions, how do you know that they are not dumping all of the arisings on their way home?!
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  • Are they providing you with a quote or an estimate? Does it clearly state whether VAT is inclusive or not? Does the quote include the removal of the waste and will the site be left relatively neat and tidy? These are all important questions to allow a client to be sure what they are paying for and to be able to compare quotations.

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​Remember if the tree surgeon gets things wrong, the result could be serious injury to themselves or others, damage to your property or serious harm to your trees which may be fatal or at best it would take many years to put it right.

Here at AG Tree Services Ltd we try to put any potential customers minds at rest from the outset. Our quotations are always provided in written format, are detailed and are accompanied with details of relative information such as our insurances, our waste carriers license, our SMAS Health and Safety Accreditation, our website address, our company and VAT registration numbers and our registered company address.


​We check all trees with the local authority for TPOs, Conservation Areas or planning conditions before carrying out any work and if a planning application or S211 Notice (for Conservation Areas) is required, we take on this responsibility and it is included in the price we quote.

We are also members of checkatrade which has numerous reviews, photographs and feedback of work we have carried out. We display our work on social media (Facebook, Twitter and Instagram) as we are proud of the work we carry out and are more than happy to show others. 

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We never ask for money up front but have payment terms which are stated in our quotation. We invoice after the work is completed and what we quote is what we charge unless the job specification has been changed and the different price agreed with the client.





​Spending 10 or 15 minutes researching the tree surgery company you intend to use may help you avoid have sub-standard tree work carried out or worse still being conned by rogues posing as 'tree surgeons'.

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